The Great Depression: Crash Course US History #33


Hi, I’m John Green, this is Crash Course
U.S. history and Herbert Hoover’s here, which is never a good sign. Today we’re gonna return to two of my favorite topics: economics and inaccurate naming conventions. That’s right, we’re gonna be talking about the Great Depression, which was only great
if you enjoy, like, being a hobo or selling pencils. Now some of you might get a bit frustrated today because there’s no real consensus
about the Great Depression, and simple, declarative statements about it really say much more about
you than they do about history. Why are you looking at me, Mr Green? I didn’t
say anything. I thought it. Because, Me From the Past, you always want
things to fit into this simplistic narrative: she loves me, she loves me not, the Great
Depression was caused by x or was caused by y. It’s complicated! (Intro Music) Many people tell you that the Great Depression
started with the stock market crash in October 1929, but a) that isn’t true and b) it leads
people to mistake correlation with cause. What we think of as the Great Depression did
begin AFTER the stock market crash, but not because of it.
Like, as we saw last week, the underlying economic conditions in the U.S. before the
stock market crash weren’t all moonshine and rainbows. The 1920s featured large-scale
domestic consumption of relatively new consumer products, which was good for American industry.
But much of this consumption was fueled by credit and installment buying which, it turned
out, was totally unsustainable. The thing about credit is that it works fine
unless and until economic uncertainty increases at which point POW. That’s a technical historian
term, by the way. Meanwhile the agricultural sector suffered
throughout the 1920s and farm prices kept dropping for two reasons. First, American
farms had expanded enormously during World War I to provide food for all those soldiers,
and second, the expansion led many farmers to mechanize their operations.
As you’ll know if you’ve ever bought a tractor, that mechanization was expensive,
and so many farmers went into debt to finance their expansion. And then a combination of
overproduction and low prices meant that often their farms were foreclosed upon .
And other signs of economic weakness appeared throughout the decade. Like by 1925, the growth
of car manufacturing slowed, along with residential construction.
And, worst of all was what noted left wing radical Herbert Hoover labeled “an orgy
of mad speculation” in the stock markets that began in 1927. By the way I’m kidding
about him being a left wing radical. Just look at him.
According to historian David Kennedy, “By 1929, commercial bankers were in the unusual
position of loaning more money for stock market and real estate investments than for commercial
ventures.”[1] I wonder if we would ever find ourselves in
that position again. Oh right we did in 2008. Anyway, it’s tempting to see the stock market
crash as the cause of the depression, possibly because it turns American economic history
into morality play, but the truth is that the stock market crash and the depression
were not the same thing. A lot of rich people lost money in the market, but what made the
Great Depression the Great Depression was massive unemployment and accompanying hardship,
and this didn’t actually begin until, like, 1930 or 1931.
The end of 1929 was actually okay. Unless you were a farmer. Or a stockbroker obviously.
So what did actually cause the Depression? Well that’s a big question and it’s one
that economists have struggled with ever since. They want to find out so they can keep it
from ever happening again. No pressure, economists. Only 3% of Americans actually owned stock,
and the markets recovered a lot of their value by 1930, although they did then go down again
because, you know, there was a depression on.
And even though big banks and corporations were buying a lot of stock, much of it was
with borrowed money, known as margin buying, and all of that still was not nearly a big
enough iceberg to sink the world’s economy. But if I had to name a single cause of the
Great Depression, it might be America’s weak banking system. Alright. Let’s go to
the ThoughtBubble. Although the Federal Reserve system had been
created in 1913, the vast majority of America’s banks were small, individual institutions
that had to rely on their own resources. When there was a panic and depositors rushed to
take the money out of the bank — like they do in the obscure arthouse movie Mary Poppins
— the bank went under if it didn’t have enough money on reserve.
So in 1930, a wave of bank failures began in Louisville that then spread to Indiana,
Illinois, Missouri, and eventually Arkansas and North Carolina. As depositors lined up
to take their money out before the banks went belly up, banks called in loans and sold assets.
Ultimately this meant that credit froze up, which was what really destroyed the economy.
A frozen credit system meant that less money was in circulation, and that led to deflation.
Now you’re probably thinking, “Big deal, deflation, can’t be as bad as inflation
right?” No. Deflation is much worse, as anyone who has ever slept on an air mattress
knows. When prices drop, businesses cut costs, mainly
by laying off workers. These workers then can’t buy anything so inventories continue
to build up and prices drop further. Banks weren’t lending money, so employers couldn’t
borrow it to make payroll to pay their workers and more and more businesses went bankrupt
leaving more and more workers unable to purchase the goods and services that would keep the
businesses open. So if we have to lay the blame for the Great
Depression on someone we can blame the banks, which isn’t completely wrong, and it gives
us a chance to shake our fists at Andrew Jackson whose distrust of central banking got us into
this mess in the first place. That’s probably too simple, but the Federal Reserve does deserve
a good chunk of the blame for not rescuing the banks and not infusing money into the
economy to combat this deflationary cycle. Thanks, Thoughtbubble. So, economics fans
out there might be saying, “Why didn’t the Hoover administration engage in some good
old fashioned Keynesian pump priming?” The thinking there is that if governments
do large-scale economic stimulus and a bunch of infrastructure projects, it can kind of
create a bottom that stops the deflationary cycle.
And that does often work, but unfortunately the Hoover Administration did not have a TARDIS.
John Maynard Keynes’ great work The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money (he
wasn’t very good at titles) wasn’t published until 1936, when the Depression was well under
way. Venturing into the green nightmare of not-America
for a moment, Herbert Hoover offered a global explanation in his memoirs for the global
phenomenon that was the Great Depression. He claimed that its primary cause was World
War One. And to be fair, the war did set the stage for a global economic disaster because
of the web of debts and reparations that it created.
Like, under the Versailles Treaty, Germany had to pay $33 billion in reparations mostly
to France and Britain, which it couldn’t pay without borrowing money from … American
banks. In addition the U.S. itself was owed $10 billion by Britain and France, some of
which those countries paid back with German reparations.
But then once American credit dried up, as it did in the wake of the stock market crash
and the American bank failures, the economies of Germany, France, and Britain also fell
off a cliff. And then with the largest non-U.S. industrial
economies in total turmoil, fewer people abroad could buy American products, or French wine,
or Brazilian coffee, and world trade came to a halt.
And then when what the world really needed was more trade, America responded by raising
tariffs to their highest levels ever with the Hawley Smoot tariff, a law that was as
bad as it sounds. The idea of the high tariff was to protect
American industry, but since Europe responded with their own high tariffs, that just meant
that there were fewer buyers for American goods, less trade, fewer sales, and ultimately
fewer jobs. So what did Hoover do? Not enough. It’s
important to remember that the American government is not just the President. Hoover couldn’t
always get Congress to do what he wanted but his political ineptitude was not particularly
surprising because the first elected office that he ever held in his life was President
of the United States. Like, let’s take the foreign debt issue.
Hoover proposed a moratorium on intergovernmental debt payments and he actually got Congress
to go along with it, but it wasn’t enough, mainly because the central bankers in Europe
and America refused to let go of the gold standard, which would have allowed the governments
to devalue their currency and pump needed money into their economies.
And when Britain, rather heroically I might add, did abandon the gold standard in 1931
and stopped payments in gold, the U.S. did not follow suit, which meant that world financial
markets froze up even further. Like this is a little bit complicated, but
if you and I have always used Cheetos as currency to exchange goods and services and one day
I announce that we can’t do that anymore because it doesn’t give us the flexibility
that we need to pull ourselves out of this deflationary spiral.
If I don’t also agree to abandon Cheetos, then it’s going to be a total disaster,
which it was. And then, even worse, the Fed raised its discount
rate, making credit even harder to come by. By the end of 1931, 2,294 American banks had
failed, double the number that had gone under in 1930.
Now, it’s easy to criticize poor Herbert Hoover for not doing enough to stop the Great
Depression, and he probably didn’t do enough, but part of that is down to our knowledge
of what happened afterward: the New Deal. That FDR at least tried to do something about
the Depression makes us forget that when Hoover was president, orthodox political and economic
theory counseled in favor of doing nothing. And at least Hoover didn’t follow the advice
of his treasury secretary who, according to Hoover anyway, argued that that the solution
was to “liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate,”
which sounds like the worst milkshake ever. Instead, Hoover believed that the best course
of action was to “use the powers of government to cushion the situation”[2] and in a White
House meeting he persuaded a large number of industrialists to agree to maintain wage
rates. He also got the Federal Farm Board to support
agricultural production, and got Congressional approval for $140 million in new public works.
Overall, he nearly doubled the federal public works expenditures between 1929 and 1931.
It just wasn’t nearly enough. Because what Hoover didn’t allow was for
the federal government to take over the situation completely.
He relied primarily on private businesses and state and local governments to stimulate
the economy, and that was insufficient. It’s not surprising when you consider that in 1929
Federal expenditures accounted for 3% of our gross domestic product. Today it’s more
like 20%. So, it was just really hard to imagine the
Federal government doing anything on such a large scale to address a national problem
because it had never really done that much before.
Hoover also hiked taxes as part of a plan to stabilize the banks by balancing the federal
budget, providing confidence for foreign creditors, and stopping them from buying American gold.
This would support bonds and also keep the federal government out of competition with
private borrowers. The Revenue Act of 1932 passed Congress, but it didn’t do much to
stop the Depression. In fact, arguably it made it worse.
Though ultimately, this dire situation forced Hoover into a truly radical move. In January
1932 he and Congress created the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, which was basically a
federal bailout program that borrowed money to provide emergency loans to banks, building-and-loan
societies, railroads, and agricultural corporations. The problem was that by 1932 bailing out the
banks wasn’t enough and the Great Depression started to take shape. By early 1932 well
over 10 million people were out of work, 20% of the labor force. And in big cities the
numbers were even worse, especially for people of color. Like, in Chicago, 4% of the population
was African American, but they made up more than 16% of the unemployed.
Although Hoover famously claimed that no one starved, which was a little bit let-them-eat-cake-y,
people did search trash cans for food. And many Americans were forced to ask for relief.
Hoover’s response was to try to encourage private charity through the unfortunately
acronymed President’s Organization on Unemployment Relief. Or “POUR.”
New York City’s government relief programs rose from $9 million in 1930 to $58 million
in 1932, and private charitable giving did increase from $4.5 million to $21 million,
and that sounds great until you realize that the total of $79 million that New York City
spent on relief in 1932 was less than ONE MONTH’s lost wages for the 800,000 people
who were unemployed.[3] Oh, it’s time for the Mystery Document?
I hope it’s a break from the unrelenting misery. Probably not.
The rules here are simple. I guess the author of the Mystery Document and then usually fail
and get shocked with the shock pen, which is a real shock pen no matter what you people
say. Alright, what do we got here? “We sit looking at the floor. No one dares
think of the coming winter. There are only a few more days of summer. Everyone is anxious
to get work to lay up something for that long siege of bitter cold. But there is no work.
Sitting in the room we all know it. This is why we don’t talk; much. We look at the
floor dreading to see that knowledge in each other’s eyes. There is a kind of humiliation
in it. We look away from each other. We look at the floor. It’s too terrible to see this
animal terror in each other’s eyes.” I mean, Stan, unemployment was 25% and this
could be literally any of those people. I’m gonna guess that it’s a woman, because men
were usually on the road trying to find work while women would go to these offices to look.
I – I mean it could be many – I have no idea. Ummm Janet Smith.
Meridel Le Sueur? She’s a good writer. Maybe we should hire her. AH!
So, often at Crash Course we try to show how conventional wisdom about history isn’t
always correct. But in the case of the hardships experienced during the Great Depression, it
really is. The pictures of Dorothea Lange and Walker
Evans, and Steinbeck’s description in Grapes of Wrath of Okies leaving the dust bowl in
the usually vain hope of a better life in California, they tell the story better than
I can. Thousands of Americans took to the road in
search of work and thousands more stood in breadlines. There were shantytowns for the
homeless called Hoovervilles, and there were protests, like the Bonus March on Washington
by veterans seeking an early payment of a bonus due to them in 1945.
A lot of the debate around the Great Depression revolves around the causes, while still more
concerns the degree to which the federal government’s eventual response, the New Deal, actually
helped to end the Depression. Those questions are controversial because
they’re still relevant. We’re still talking about how to regulate banking.
We’re still talking about what the government’s role in economic policy should be and whether
a strong federal government is ultimately good for an economy or bad for it.
And how you feel about the government’s role in the Great Depression is going to depend
on how you feel about government in general. That said, we shouldn’t let our ideological
feelings about markets and governments and economics obscure the suffering that millions
of Americans experienced during the Great Depression.
For generations of Americans, it was one of the defining experiences of their lives. Thanks
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100 thoughts on “The Great Depression: Crash Course US History #33

  1. heh.. electing a president that's new to elected office right as the world decends into recession.. who would ever be stupid enough to do that twice.. 😛

  2. you are wrong about deflation, deflation makes everyone richer, not because the price of the product goes down but because the money u have starts growing….

  3. How many of you should be studying for another class in a different subject, but are watching this instead?😂✋

  4. Am i the only one that feels like this is missing the point of what caused the depression and is just keynsian propoganda??

  5. It’s a shame John Green that you can’t equality apply that level of appreciation for complication to the causes of our civil war.

  6. Corrupt oil companies and corrupt banks cost of 2008 crash JP Morgan John Rockefeller Federal Reserve caused the 1929 crash and the Great Depression see any similarities

  7. bank failures are caused by people haveing insecurity in the banks investments, which are caused by economic turmoil. which is caused by :::;;; ( big business failure, over speculation, inflation from federal spending, ect

  8. As a history nerd and current Master's student in Economics I gotta say this episode…..
    NAILS IT!

    The Great Depression is indeed portrayed rather simplistically, and at times falsely, but this episode clearly did it's research. Indeed, the stock crash did not cause the depression, it was caused by the waves of bank failures esp in midwest/farming states thanks to the weakness in our banking system and the underlying troubles growing through the 1920s. Yes, the Fed greatly worsened it with its lack of response and Hoover didn't do enough. Kudos on acknowledging he did do some stuff though. In history class, even in college, we got the "Hoover sat there feet up while the world burned" and tis true that's not quite accurate. I mean he's got the Dam named after him! Though he did add to the troubles with both his tariff and achieving a budget surplus in 1930. 1931 things took a hard turn from worse to even worse.
    Just like how FDR balanced a budget and it lead to the 1937 recession that undid much of the progress. Austerity during a recession = depression. Someone needs to tell modern Europe that…

  9. Seriously, Wake up people! We all at the same time have to stop asking for loans and become independent and to stop attending and celebrating political holidays and to stop letting USA inc. (private corpirations) aka: rothchilds, Rockefellers, the federal reserve, the UN, etc; them telling us and helping us solve our finantial and personal issues and to START living standard by spending only in our basic needs with zero fun and extra things that makes our life easier. Yes without that billions will lose jobs but in the end that can only be the solution to end with at least the major problems of today.

  10. Inflation is worse than deflation. Germany kept printing money till people needed a basket to hold money in it to buy a loaf and this lead to rise of Hitler.

    Credit with interest is wrong in the first place. Also there are governmental measures which should be always done to avoid such situations from happening

  11. 1930: The Great Depression
    (Time skip)
    2014: If your depressed get help
    2015: Get help
    2016:Be depressed or get help
    2017: No cares
    2018: Get help and talk to someone who cares
    2019: No one cares if your depressed. You have depression or your depressed, no one even cares!
    2020: mMmmMmMmmmMMMmmmmmMMmmmmMMmm

  12. than if not because of the stock market , then why was Joseph Kennedy made ambassador to the united kingdom, being him self Irish catholic, this was offensive. this was a deal made after he crashed it,, some say this was the reason, none of his sons made it to the big job,, but most likely I'm wrong and its cool,, thanx learned masters….

  13. I’m surprised the dust bowl wasn’t covered more. It was fairly impactful and the elements that caused it are fairly interested. If you’re interested in farming at least

  14. Other people:the Great Depression
    Intellectuals:the big sad
    Me with an iq of 1500:the substantial sorrow

  15. "his political ineptitude was not particularly surprising because the first elected office that he ever held in his life was President of the United States"
    Huh, that sure reminds me of someone…

  16. So you want more government control despite the fact that it helped push the economy to greater depths through the federal reserve’s policy?

  17. >The subject is complex and the cause is really complicated to pin down
    >Rich people are evil and it was all their fault

  18. Do you teach anywhere? If so let me know so I can avoid your total misunderstanding of history. Hoover didn't do enough? FDR at least did something? You probably thought Obama handled the 2008 crises correctly. If you truly want to understand economics you need to read basic economics by Thomas Sowell. The only thing you got right was the smoot Hawley tariff. But even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then. Won't be watching the next video on the great depression. You won't have that right either.

  19. Hey I just wanted you to know that at 12 minutes and 48 seconds there is child nudity. Generally I love your program, but I would rather not see that in the future.

  20. I knew debt was the root of all evil! lol ;D But seriously, I have to put it in slow-mo to understand exactly what he's saying…

  21. A little Bonus March 101 he takled about in 13:07,"At 4:45 p.m., commanded by General Douglas MacArthur, the 12th Infantry Regiment, Fort Howard, Maryland, and the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, supported by six M1917 light TANKS commanded by Maj. George S. Patton, formed in Pennsylvania Avenue while thousands of civil service employees left work to line the street and watch. The Bonus Marchers, believing the troops were marching in their honor, cheered the troops until Patton ordered the CALVARY to CHARGE them, which prompted the spectators to yell, "Shame! Shame!"
    Well,seems like China learnt from the best!

  22. Here is the Federal Reserve Bank's favorite saying: "If you want to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs." This monetary crisis is no "accident," it is carefully and meticulously designed, exactly like the "terrorist attacks" on all three buildings of the World Trade Center in 2001. This event has been planned, years in advance.

    When this global debt crisis bubble bursts, the banksters will immediately swoop in to buy all of the foreclosed homes, then pick up broken businesses and stock options for only pennies on the dollar. This "Boom, Bust" economy, created by the central bankers, happened during the Great Depression, and it's happening RIGHT NOW. Look to see skyrocketing inflation, new wars in the Middle East, more retail establishment closures, continuing real estate losses, mass homelessness, unpaid student loans, record numbers of auto loan defaults, equity and bond market collapses, unpaid pensions, ever growing credit card debt, major currency disruptions, catastrophic crop failures, then eventually, bank runs and "Too Big To Fail" commercial bank bail-ins.

    Welcome to the future. Welcome to the New World Order.

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