How to heal the brain after stroke


Bill 0:00
I thought I was really well, but actually, I was really unwell. And I created the perfect
storm for my body to go through that process where the weakest link in my head decided
that you’re not supporting us to be well, we’re gonna have to bleed here. So I wasn’t
overweight, dramatically or anything that anyone would say, look, that guy’s overweight. Bill 0:23
And when I say I was busy, like I was too busy to go to hospital, like I was apparently
so busy that I couldn’t go to the hospital. I was so busy that I couldn’t eat breakfast
in the morning. Any of these just general things, regular things that people do to sustain
life. I was too busy. I don’t know how I became so busy that I didn’t have time to just do
those simple things. And what that led to what that led to me was becoming more frustrated
and more upset and more angry, which was making the cycle worse. Intro 0:58
This is recovery after stroke. With Bill Gasiamis helping you go from where you are to where
you’d rather be. Bill 1:07
Bill from recoveryafterstroke.com This is Episode 88 and today I am sharing an interview
I did on the Memory Health Made Easy podcast with occupational therapist, David Norris.
But just before we get started, did you know that you can now download all the words of
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me and are being helped to overcome challenges including fatigue, anger, isolation, amongst
other things. Bill 2:11
So if you are a stroke survivor that wants to know how to heal your brain overcome fatigue
and reduce anxiety, recovery after stroke coaching might be perfect for you. If you
have fallen in the cracks between hospital and home care, and desire to gain momentum
in your recovery, but do not know where to start. This is where I can help. I will coach
you and help you gain clarity on where you are currently in your recovery journey. Bill 2:35
I will help you create a picture of where you would like to be in your recovery 12 months
from now, and I will coach you to overcome what’s stopping you from getting to your goal
want to know more? Just send an email to [email protected] and I will arrange a time to speak with you
in person about how recovery after stroke coaching can work for you. And now here’s
the host of the memory Health Made Easy podcast David Norris. David 2:59
Welcome back to the The Memory Health Made Easy podcast. I’m your host, David Norris,
and thank you very much for joining me. In today’s episode, I’m joined with Bill Gasiamis
of Recovery After Stroke. And he’s a four time stroke survivor. In this episode, we
discuss what he’s learned, you could say the hard way about what has helped him recover
from these dramatic life events and how he is optimized and improved his brain health. David 3:29
It’s very, very clear folks that we can change our brain and there is no greater testimonial
or proof to that. Than what Bill discusses in today’s episode, as a therapist, working
with people for over 20 years, I’m always learning from other people’s experiences.
And something that I really took away from speaking with Bill today was his insights
on mindset, relationships and how they truly matter. David 4:00
Especially how he’s leveraged that in his recovery, and consistency, you’ll appreciate
and listening to Bill’s story that he has had a dramatic life altering event not once,
but four times, which is really shook the foundations of who he was what he thought
was normal. And I guess really rattled his perception of how he was traveling with his
health. You’ll appreciate that bill shares quite candidly that he made it this wake up
moment in his life, but he demonstrates the power of lifestyle changes and the ingredients
that have helped him improve his brain health over time. David 4:41
Now, Bill faced a threat that not many of us have, which is that he had a genetic or
something he was born with, that affected his risk for strokes. But he’s now showed
many times over the things that have reduced his risk for this occurring again. So if you’re
currently in a situation in life where you’re thinking about taking steps with your brain
health, well please dial into this show because this is not just for folks that have survived
from strokes. David 5:10
This is for people that are wondering about what they can do to improve their brain health
and a hope and not waiting for these momentous clematis, huge life events that really shake
us, rather than just want to be inspired by a story that we can do something to improve
our brain health, and there’s no greater testimony, as I mentioned, then for somebody who has
demonstrated how they’ve recovered from great adversity, some of the main points that we
discover in today’s conversation, obviously around mindset and how that really matters. David 5:44
Dealing with his own personal Groundhog Day, he didn’t deal with this once or twice as
four times that was repeated but he got better and better and better with what he knew and
what he learned over those years. And how working as a team with his family unit with
his partner had been really instrumental for his recovery. But it’s also had a pervasive
life altering impact to his family and community as well. David 6:08
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So like it, share it, discuss it and of course, apply it in your life. Now let’s head over
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you learn practical tips and expert share advice on what you can do to boost your brain
span to match your lifespan now to the host of the show. David Norris. David 6:58
Today, I am joined by Bill Gasiamis founder of recovery after stroke, champion of optimizing,
stroke, recovery, and podcaster, speaker and I guess all around amazing man. Bill, I had
the pleasure of meeting Bill almost a year ago now, where we had a conversation over
a lovely morning tea, about what work he was doing, but more importantly, the journey he
has been on to get where he is today so that he’s created something amazing called recovery
after stroke. David 7:31
And he’s really passionate about helping people optimize and reclaim their independence after
a stroke. I thought to open a conversation Bill today to find out a little bit about
what brought you here today. And one of the things that’s happened a little bit in your
story, that I think if you could paint a picture about, you know how you’ve come to be where
you are today. Bill 7:56
Good day David. Thanks so much for having me on the podcast it’s been a pretty cool
journey, but tough and difficult and scary and you know, really concerning. So I suppose
what got me here today is that I was a positive guy in that I had a lot of what’s the word?
So I was kind of like very upbeat and very positive, always half glass full kind of guy. Bill 8:23
However, what I noticed myself doing a little bit before, February 2012, which was the first
brain hemorrhage, is I noticed myself getting stuck in a rut of working way too many hours,
feeling like I had not enough resources to get things and really complaining that everything
was really difficult, really hard, really impossible. And I was really struggling with
just my self talk. And when I was at that point, I didn’t know I didn’t know that I
was in that situation. Bill 8:53
I was just complaining about everything. Everything was just too difficult and realistically the
things that I think we’re difficult. I look back and go, well they weren’t really difficult
because after February of 2012, like things then absolutely truly properly became difficult. David 9:12
To give us a bit of insight there. February 2012, you had a brain bleed. Is that right? Bill 9:18
Yes, I started to notice a small numb sensation in my big left toe. The numbness was there
and it was like, less sensation and it wasn’t hurting or anything and then as the numbness
spread over a week literally got from my little toe, my big left toe to all the way to my
entire left side. And you know, we were so busy at work and I had so many things to do
that I just avoided going to see anyone about it until about three days after I went and
saw a chiropractor because I was always putting my back out and doing the you know, potential
incorrect lifting techniques. Bill 9:59
When I was getting paint buckets and all that kind of stuff because of our business, then
I used to have my chiropractor on speed dial to get me sorted out all the time. And I went
and saw him and he said, look, it doesn’t seem to be any inflammation or anything that’s
apparent at the moment. And the numbness was only by that time was only about my calf. Bill 10:10
And he said, so just keep an eye on and if you need to come and see me, maybe the numbness
is going to settle down. And if it doesn’t, maybe we’ll be able to get more of an idea
where it’s coming from, if it’s related to something that you lifted. So then by literally
eight days later on the eighth day of the numbness spreading, I went back to the car
back then he said to me, look, you haven’t gotten a problem with your back, you need
to go straight to the hospital. Bill 10:49
And I argued with him about it for a little bit of time because the next day I had a really
busy job to do or have a really big jobs to do. So when I got to hospital, that eighth
day after I noticed the numbness in my toe they did a brain scan and they found that
there was a bleed on the brain near the cerebellum. And what had been happening was a faulty blood
vessel, called an arteriovenous malformation had burst. Bill 11:18
And it started to leak and as it started to leak, it started to affect more and more of
the brain. So as the blood clot in my head grew in size, and started to occupy more space
started to switch off more and more of my body. So that’s the first incident that’s
how I came to become aware that there was something seriously wrong with my health. David 11:41
Yeah and Bill, all the sort of measures or flags at the moment that are around us these
days that describe stroke symptoms, being the fast acronym that comes to mind, of any
changes in our body or like this of this sort of changing sensation, changing strength changes
in speech changes in ability to recognize others is an indicator of get something done
quickly. David 12:12
But in your situation you know, you’re so busy you’re out there working hard you had
your business, you’re very focused. And it took you know, for a life threatening event
of what it was, you know, eight days for it to punch you in the nose and say, Hey, Bill,
eyes open mate, we need to do something about this. David 12:31
So tell me where you a healthy guy before before the experience, obviously you describe
a man, you know, the Bill before stroke as a guy who was very busy with work, very driven,
very motivated, very focused, probably very stressed. Tell me about your health, what
was going on and how did you perceive health? What was your thinking about brain health
and things like that before all this happened? Bill 12:56
I thought it was healthy. In hindsight, I was just doing some things that were healthy
and then doing a lot of things that were not healthy. So I had some unhealthy habits, and
they included drinking excessively at times, you know, smoking, not sleeping enough, not
distressing and relaxing enough. And really just being in a mindset and then self taught
that was not healthy. Bill 13:24
Now I understand how I thought I was really well, but actually, I was really unwell. And
I created the perfect storm for my body to go through that process where the weakest
link in my head decided that you’re not supporting us to be well, we’re gonna have to bleed here.
So I wasn’t overweight, dramatically or anything that anyone would say, look, that guy’s overweight. Bill 13:50
And when I say I was busy, like I was too busy to go to hospital, like I was apparently
so busy that I couldn’t go to hospital. I was so busy that I couldn’t eat breakfast
in the morning. Any of these just general things is regular things that people do to
sustain life, I was too busy. I don’t know how I became so busy that I didn’t have time
to just do those simple things. Bill 14:13
And what that led to what that led to me was becoming more frustrated and more upset and
more angry, which was making the cycle worse all I was doing was just getting myself stuck
in this loop and I didn’t have an outlet, I didn’t have a way to jump out of it. And
it came from being from growing up in a family which was really loving, you know, really
supportive had everything that you could ask for except that the resources of my parents
came from a part of the world that was really poor after the war, after the Second World
War. Bill 14:46
And then when they came to Australia, their only mindset was, and we’ve never had jobs
before we’ve never worked before. Why don’t we just find the job, stay there for the next
20 years and work as many hours as possible because we don’t know when it could all be
taken away from us, and we could have nothing again. Bill 15:04
So that worked for them to a certain extent. And I just picked up on their habits and then
continued following through, you know, their process to delivering outcome and work. Except
what I didn’t realize was that when they got sent home of an evening, because the shift
finished, they got sent home. Whereas when you’re running your own business, no one sends
you home and says, you need to stop now. Bill 15:31
You need to clock off. There’s other things to do. I would work up to 16 hours a day,
and eight hours of that day might have been on the tools an hour before that might have
been going and picking up materials for that particular job. an hour or two after work
was to go into quotes at other people’s homes, and then it was to do paperwork. There’s just
too much. David 15:56
And it’s interesting. He built it your awareness of who you are and what created that condition
of your beautiful family and what they took is their strengths as well. We’ve got this
opportunity now here in Australia to, acquire wealth, a sense of safety and security. And
that was something that you carried forth in your world and your experience of life. David 16:21
It’s funny how these habits are just something that we attract and stick onto us with the
Gropius, Velcro. It’s often how I described, you know, habits that really stuck and stick
onto us. And it takes a monumental experience sometimes to become aware of it. When I was
younger, I lived in Brazil. And at that time, there was a you know, this is when the AIDS
epidemic, particularly in Sao Paulo, where I lived, becoming very strongly communicated
in a public setting. David 16:53
And a lot of people were out there speaking one young gentleman who had experienced AIDS
came out and said, Look I don’t know what life threatening life ending moment you need
in your life, but we need to wake up. And it was that sort of tone of why do we wait
for these moments before we get a sense of well, how did I get so far away? From what
the road of health and wellness is? How did I get so far away from that? And how do I
then navigate back to that and make your experience of that as being well, you didn’t have one
stroke, you’ve had three brain bleeds in your time. Bill 17:38
So you know what it is? It’s a great question that you asked about. How do we get to that
point and not realize so if anyone’s listening to this podcast, they are already most likely
in that state, they are already most likely overworked. They are already most likely not
taking care of their health or their idea of how is a bit warped. Bill 18:02
They are already doing behaviors and patterns that are contributing to ill health. So most
of the people listening to this are already in that state that I was in before I became
unwell. So if you’re listening to this, it’s you. Alright. So take stock right now. So
then what happened to me was of course in a six weeks after, the bleed at home, no work,
no this no driving, no, going to the gym, nothing just go home do nothing relax. Bill 18:37
And while they were waiting for things to settle down so they can do another MRI and
see what was happening in the in the brain. Just a couple of days before my six week appointment.
I had another episode, where this time the blood clot that was about the size of a 10
cent piece became about the size of a golf ball. And the way that happened was I actually
went to work. I didn’t go to work, but I went, I didn’t go to do work, I went to work with
the guys just to get out of the house. Bill 19:06
And when I got there, I just noticed again, my left side going numb. And my head started
to spin. And I got to that point where I had to ask somebody to take me back, take me home
and take me back to the hospital. And on the way back, I was calling my wife and we’re
chatting and everything was fine. And then when we got to my wife’s place, our house,
we drove to the hospital, which is about 15 minutes away, but by the time I got to emergency,
I actually didn’t know who I was. I didn’t know my name, didn’t know what I was doing
there. Bill 19:41
I had no recollection of what was happening or remember is getting there somebody asked
me how can I help you? That’s the last thing I remember. And then sometime later, I woke
up and there was a strange lady at the end my bed and she said to me you know who I am?
and I didn’t know who it was. It was my wife. Bill 19:59
So was the second time there was six weeks later. And then when I got out of hospital
after that, then it was a real challenge to type an email. It was a real challenge to
remember who came to visit me. So many things that I took for granted, were gone. And one
of my real massive concerns were, what if I don’t get my brain back? What if I can’t
do those regular things like type an email, start conversation, remember, during the conversation,
what I actually want to say and finish that conversation, it was a real, real big concern. David 20:37
Bill I also read of another Bill this week, who has come out and said Bill Gates, that
is that his greatest fear in life is to lose his brain skills. And you’ve said it just
so profoundly that you’re so worried that you couldn’t get your brain back. That it
wouldn’t get back to that level of ability that you need to thrive. And do the things
that you want in life. David 21:03
And I guess when I hear that Bill for so many folk, that is a brain destiny we could avoid
that when we look at some of the numbers, you know, when we just look at some of the
stroke numbers across the world 15 million people are affected by stroke each year, almost
7 million people die from it. There’s one person every six seconds having a stroke across
this world. David 21:29
When we look at the issues around memory loss and diagnosis of dementia, one person every
three seconds is diagnosed with dementia. And yet, when I look at your experience, and
we’re speaking here now so you’ve got your brain back. You’ve worked hard at reclaiming
that. Then when I read some of your story, and the people that you’ve connected with,
it was like a massive jigsaw puzzle that you’re trying to put together over time about what
is the steps are that you needed to take to to reclaim your sense of to reclaim your brain
skills to reclaim your independence again, and you’ve had to deal with this again, you
know, another brain bleed later again. So, you’ve been on the canvas several times, but
you’ve picked yourself up what sort of mindset takes those hits Bill and go, Well, I’m going
around again. Bill 22:31
It’s not one that I thought that I was able to conjure up to be honest, back then it was.
So when I had that concern about like, Am I going to get my brain back I started to
really become frantic and, start to search what it is that I can do to heal my brain
to get it better, even though it’s got this thing with it. And it’s got this problem that’s
going to be in there for a couple more years because by that time, we hadn’t worked dealt
with it, I would have surgery, I had to do what I could to influence the health and well
being of my brain. Bill 23:08
So I figured that the small part that I can’t influence that’s leaking, I won’t worry about
that, I’ll worry about the parts of it that I can influence and that’s try to make it
a healthier brain so that when it does have an injury, it can recover quicker. So I took
out all of the bad habits that I was doing, you know, the, the smoking and the drinking
the inflammatory foods. Bill 23:36
And what I started to notice was not only was my brain healing, but my memory and all
those things were coming back online, even though I had this blood clot in my head now
that was the size of a golf ball. So what I started to do was started to support my
brain to create new neurons and fire in different ways and to reroute and that was doing really
well. Bill 24:00
So as I started to notice the difference in me and the way that I was feeling and my energy
levels are starting to get more and more excited about a actually I can influence my health
and my well being. And for the first time at 38, I was feeling healthier. Even though
I had this problem in my head than I had ever felt in my life, like for a really, really
long time since I was a young teenager. Intro 24:22
If you’ve had a stroke, and you’re in recovery, you’ll know what a scary and confusing time
it can be, you’re likely to have a lot of questions going through your mind. Like, how
long will it take to recover? Will I actually recover? What things should I avoid in case
I make matters worse, doctors will explain things, but obviously because you’ve never
had a stroke before, you probably don’t know what questions to ask. Intro 24:47
If this is you, you may be missing out on doing things that could help speed up your
recovery. If you’re finding yourself in that situation, stop worrying, and head to recoveryafterstroke.com
where you can Download a guide that will help you. It’s called seven questions to ask your
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was recovering from a stroke. They’ll not only help you better understand your condition,
they’ll help you take a more active role in your recovery. head to the website now, recoveryafterstroke.com
and download the guide. It’s free.S Bill 25:35
So basically, what I figured was, we don’t know if it’s going to happen again. But if
it does, I don’t want to be responsible for making it happen again or contributing to
it being a far worse outcome. I want to be responsible for doing everything I can so
I can sleep at night, saying, No, actually, you’ve done the best you can to Support your
brain so that this doesn’t happen again. Bill 26:03
But in the event that it does, hopefully the recovery will be swifter. So it did happen
again. And in November 2014, almost three years after the first bleed. What happened
was I was driving my car going to work by then I’d got back to work. And I started doing
all the regular tasks in my life, but really changed the structure by which I was doing
this. I wasn’t working a lot. Bill 26:28
And I was going to this meeting in the city in Melbourne, and I started to notice a burning
sensation on my left side, and it was like I was in the sun, and half my body was sunburnt.
But the other wasn’t. And I realized Sun’s not up and I drove myself to hospital, I took
myself to emergency, let them know what was happening. And they did another scan and they
realized that it had bled again. Bill 26:51
So this time, my surgeon came in and said, Look, you’ve tried to avoid surgery for three
years. We’ve done a pretty good job so far. But right now the best thing for you to do
is have surgery because the risk is that another bleed could be catastrophic. And what we want
to do is we want to get you into surgery because that’s less risky than it bleeding again. Bill 27:13
So I figured fair enough. And she goes to me, do you want to do this? And I said, yes,
immediately. She hadn’t finished the sentence. And then she wasn’t so sure. So she came back
a couple hours later, and she asked me again, like, are we going to do this are you up for
it? And I said I’m really up for it. And I was so confident I said to her, look, I’ve
done everything I can do to give you a perfect brain you to work on other than this little
thing that it’s got a problem on. Bill 27:41
I’m really healthy, I’m better than I’ve ever been. I’m less stressed. I’ve been meditating.
I haven’t been eating this and I haven’t been smoking. I haven’t been drinking. For three
years. I’m feeling extremely healthy. So that when and if this time came, I present to you
a body that’s going to be the most able to handle this surgery and then bounce back from
it. Bill 28:06
So that was my goal but really what I didn’t realize that was happening was that that body
well being supports resilience in the mind and in the heart and in the gut. So it gave
me an opportunity to be well balanced in my body, which then supported my emotional well
being. And it supported my instincts to make the right decisions. So the resilience part
of it is not something that I was trying to achieve. It just happened to come. Bill 28:44
And because I felt I had a level of control, which was control what you can and hand over
everything that you can’t do, somebody else is more capable. Then it allowed me to take
those hits. Now what You might not know is that in November 2014, also, we lost my mother
in law two weeks before my brain surgery. So that was really dramatic, you know, so
we had to get to a funeral, overcome all of that, and then get me on the table and manage,
you know, my wife’s emotions and challenges that she was going through. So, you know,
we caught a lot of hits during that time. David 29:26
Bill, it sounds like that there was storm after storm after storm that was rocking the
shores. When I hear you talk about resilience and what was in your control and what is out
of your control. You know, you’ve had an emotional experience with your mother in law, you’ve
fronted up again, with a reality that you wished you weren’t going to experience again,
you were there, but you’d invested a lot into that body brain, emotional bank account. David 30:00
Further years before that, so that yes, there was a hurt factor. Yes, there was some grief.
And yes, there was a sense of wish it wasn’t happening, but you’re able to put yourself
in a space to grow through it. And I think that’s the resilience element of some of the
definitions that I’ve seen out there around that beautiful word. It’s, it’s through difficult
times, we thrive and grow. And you’ve alluded to many factors that were responsible for
your overall well being not just one, and that you decided to, yet I can’t do anything
about the bleed, but I can do something about all these other facets. David 30:46
And I know that when I speak about the things that we can take control of with regards to
Well, our brain health, our memory health, I list them out on our screen for folks to
see and there are all these things That are going to influence people’s brain and body
health. And it’s somewhat overwhelming when you see it all there. And you think, what’s
the likelihood I’m actually going to move the needle on it. And then I show people that
look what you can’t control versus what you can. David 30:58
And there’s only one or two things there that people can’t control. yet. There’s a whole
scale things where we can start to pull the leavers down to reduce the risk for this happening
and to improve the payoff the trade off is and what a positive one is that our, our brain
body? And I guess mind being how it works, is going to benefit greatly. I’m wondering
maybe if you could touch on some of those things for you on your journey that you felt
really shifted gears for you in terms of sense of health and well being. Bill 31:50
Yeah, so in my course that I’m developing 10 steps to brain health. For stroke survivors.
It’s basically the path that I went on and the 10 or so things that stood out for me
but make being really significant in changing my life in a way that I didn’t know before.
So, one of those things is the team that you create around you. So the team of people to
support your recovery, and that for me, included, you know, everyone from Reiki therapists,
to chiropractors, to occupational therapists, to psychologists, to coaches, to experts in
the field of healing the brain people that I’ve interviewed to the doctors, to family
and friends to support groups, you know, to the Stroke Foundation. Bill 32:49
Every single person that I surrounded myself with, made a team that was all about me support
me helping me etc. And I paid for some of those resources, but I also didn’t pay for
a lot of them. So I started to hang around with people that I hadn’t hung around with
before. And they were inspiring and they were having my back and they are about helping
me. So I created this amazing team. One of the other key things was definitely nutrition. Bill 33:23
So the information that’s available now on how the path we’ve taken for nutrition, saying
the last 40 years has really led to increased, you know, disease and people being unwell.
So I, I suspended my disbelief about how could that be, you know, I’m a healthy kind of guy,
I do things that they say on TV and the news and wherever. And I got curious about what
are actually some of those things that I’m doing, how they supporting me, or how are
they supporting me. Bill 34:00
And for me, one of the key things was sugar, and processed grains were really not good
for me. So stop consuming those and I just paid attention to the difference. So I was
really curious about noticing what the difference was going to be. And I noticed in my health
and my well being that was massive. So one of the other things that I really needed to
do was I needed to quieten my mind. Bill 34:26
And so I had a lot of challenges around being an over thinker, I would have considered myself
a headcase in the past. And I, I really found my inner self, you know, my wisdom within
by meditating and making that a practice. So I would meditate in the morning when I
wake up and meditate in the evening before I go to bed. And for some people, meditation
is difficult and you know, they can’t sit down and find a place I’m one of those people. Bill 34:59
So I just put a little guided meditation track playing in the background while I’m laying
in bed. And if I fall asleep during that I fall asleep. If I get to the end of it, I
just switch it off after about five minutes, and I go to bed. So I got to that point where
I started to really notice the impact of hang on a sec, meditation makes me feel better,
it makes me have a better night’s sleep. So that’s another thing I improved is my sleep
improved dramatically. Bill 35:29
And that meant that at night, often I would wear blue blocking glasses, especially if
I was sitting in front of a computer screen in front of the TV. If I had overhead lighting,
I made an effort to create a process by which my body was starting to find its rhythm again
and get me back into sleep. So I would have a good seven eight hours sleep and feel really
energized when I wake up in the morning. Bill 35:56
And I think one of the biggest for me, it was gratitude. And I know it’s difficult to
be gracious when you’re going through a really difficult time, but I wasn’t gracious for
the things that I wasn’t enjoying, like the blade in the brain. I was gracious with the
things that I was enjoying, you know, like, being around family and friends and a cup
of coffee and whatever it was that I was getting a lot out of. I was just grateful for and
I would have a little meditation, gratefulness practice that came before my meditation, or
after my meditation when I was in bed in the evening. Bill 36:31
And it was just simply, thanks for the family. And thanks for the friends and thanks for
my day. And thanks for this thanks for that. And I don’t know it just worked for me. It
made me feel a lot better. So I started to discover that these things were helping me
with my emotions, my emotional well being started to improve. And because it started
to improve, I started to have better relationships. Bill 36:54
So I started to really make an effort to apologize to people when I was being an idiot. Which
maybe was more often than I thought, you know. And I started to really pay attention as to
how my behavior was negatively impacting other people. So what I was doing was creating again,
these loops of feedback between me and that other person, and especially with my kids
and my wife. Bill 37:18
So that interaction started off positively where I became aware that when I would get
home after a really long day, a bit cranky with all the traffic and all the challenges
of the day, if things were not quite perfect at home, and one of the kids, you know, left
something lying around, or whatever, I would take it out on them. And I realized that that
wasn’t actually helping create a loving relationship between me and my sons and my wife. Bill 37:45
So I really started to take stock on how I could be a better version of myself and impact
people in a positive way. So what I didn’t realize was that I was doing all these things
at the same time, and I was getting this magnificent result. Only upon reflection later, did I
really understand that wow, actually, what a massive difference I’ve made in my life,
look how much my life has changed. And I started to get that feedback from other people when
I would go and do presentations, for the Stroke Foundation and talk about my experience, and
do preventative talks about stroke. Bill 38:29
And people would say to me, that’s a great story. Thank you for telling that story that’s
made a real difference. I’m going to go tell my husband, what I just heard or my son or
my brother or my mom or whoever. So giving back to other people was extremely fulfilling
and rewarding. So being somebody that gives their time to other people who are, you know,
also struggling with things. That’s where I met a lot of stroke survivors. That’s what
we’ve got to talk about our experiences and to learn so I created this community around
me. Bill 39:03
So it’s just and it doesn’t end like that but I could tell you I would go for ages it
just been so transformative and I am a different version of myself I started the podcast you
know my podcast the recoveryafterstroke.com so I don’t know I just don’t recognize my
old self anymore I don’t recall that person and I know how he got there and I thank him
for helping me create the foundation for what was to come because in that person who was
struggling it was still the wisdom to be this version of me you know so I thank that person
for you know that version of Bill for the wisdom that he had within him where he must
have picked up from somewhere along the way so that when I needed it really really needed
it. I was able to tap into. David 39:56
so bill I when I think about those points thing That gathering your right team. You’ve
used the word several times now, which is community, you’ve built a community around
you that at early stages and key stages, no doubt there are focused on supporting Bill.
But then there was a change in that relationship to of where you’ve said, I need to support
others. And, there was that sort of transition. And the other thing that I heard in it too,
was a real sense of curiosity, that you followed that curiosity component, which then led you
to pay attention to listen to inquire to ask questions. David 40:40
You know, how do I get around this? How do I solve that? What’s the most accurate piece
of information helped me through this? quieting the mind, getting out of that busy mind and
assuming a practice of morning and night around meditation and I hear, you know, so many folks
will say, I’ve tried meditation, I can’t do it. I’ve never been a meditator, it’s not
for me. David 41:02
And it’s really very much around trying to find the right method to get the result. As
opposed to seeing meditation as a label for a specific technique. There are many pathways,
again, to acquire the skills to get the result of quieting our mind and it’s just a matter
of having a curiosity about it, and exploring what that one might be. Sleep, no doubt and
getting those circadian rhythms, those those awake and sleeping rhythms and the body attuned
to that helped obviously in your process, and a key component was gratitude. David 41:39
And I hear the wonderful evolution in your relationship with your family. And I’m also
curious around if you’re to, look as a married man, I I hesitate to do this at any moment
of the day. But if I was to ask your wife around her observations of Bill and her journey
because you’ve changed, you’ve acquired new skills you’ve developed yourself. David 42:06
And in that process, you’ve influenced your partner and asked her to come on that journey.
You’ve influenced your children and asked them to come on that journey. Were there any
hard conversations at times around support or insight about what you’re trying to do?
And how, you know, I’m curious about how those conversations were nurtured over time. Bill 42:29
Yeah, well, my wife’s from a similar background to me. So she was just as resourced as I was,
you know, back then. And she is a mom to work. She was, you know, a wife, amongst other things,
and then one day she has to be a carer and she’s got no skills or resources or training
for that. So it was really hard. Those conversations were really difficult because how do you explain
to somebody when you’re experiencing fatigue for the first time ever in your life, debilitating
fatigue where you cannot walk from the car to the clinic door, which is five meters away
and not be exhausted. Bill 43:08
How do you explain that to somebody and give them that insight so that they’re okay with
what you’re going through. So I remember going into a fit of rage because my wife parked
in according to me at the time, the incorrect car space, which was three car spaces further
away, then another car space and that was the closest one to the door of the clinic
that we’re go to and now this lady she’s trying to work out like it’s got me personally what
happened in his brain making him a really bad aggressive person. Bill 43:46
And is this the person I’m going to be stuck with with the rest of my life. What is going
on here is this something that’s just as a result of the stroke. So she’s really having
to type these new experiences and process them and she doesn’t have a reference point
to go back to say, sometimes emotional experiences get blown out after stroke. And people act
up and they’ll have, they’ll attack you, but they’re not really attacking you she doesn’t
know any of that. Bill 44:12
So she definitely struggled to deal with that kind of stuff and then, when I was really
unwell for a long time, I would say to her, look, I’m tired, I’m tired, I’m tired. And
I remember her saying, like, I’m over it. I’m over you being tired forever. And she
wasn’t saying that I’m making excuses or that I should stop being tired. She was actually
just over her husband not having the energy to do anything. And obviously, she was concerned
about why that was the case. And we couldn’t get two answers as quickly as we wanted to,
which was immediately. Bill 44:47
So she definitely would have noticed the difference in the type of person that I was post stroke.
So leading up to what I was doing with my work in February of 2012. To the kind of person
that I became, after that I was potentially into personal development a little bit before
stroke. But then after stroke, I it became all encompassing. It became all about discovering
myself doing things that I had never done before, like public speaking. It became about
volunteering, which I never ever would have done before, became about all these things. Bill 45:26
And she has to sort of sit back and go, Well, this guy now he’s doing a podcast now. Now
this guy’s doing this now this guy’s doing that all of these things that I never ever
would have contemplated or considered earlier on. So there’s no doubt that I’m still me,
and I still act up and press her buttons, and she presses mine. But I think I’m also
better at minimizing those long winded arguments that I would start over nothing that would
go for weeks, to maybe a couple of hours, or hopefully a bit, 20 minutes maybe. Bill 46:07
So as we grow together, and as we’ve experienced all this drama in the last seven or eight
years, what I’ve noticed is that at least the two of us, we’ve become better at communicating.
And we’ve become better at giving people space each other space and going, Okay, she’s having
a bad day. I’ll just let her be. And we’ll pick this up later. And vice versa. And so,
my children as well, I would say they are able to sort of see the difference in me and
they are responding in a way specifically that makes me know that. Bill 46:42
And that, and I know that by the Christmas cards and birthday cards they wrote me, and
some of the deep conversations I’ve had with these kids who are now 19 and 23. At the time
were quite early on in the teenagers so it’s been a really wealthy learning experience
that I know some people going through can go through you have to have a very committed
both partners need to be very committed in the growth opportunities that come from such
an experience because she has grown as a person as well. Bill 47:21
She has decided that, hey, if my husband has a used by date, maybe I do too. And if I do,
what is it that I’m not doing in my life that I should be doing because I don’t want to
have regrets. And she’s taken steps to re educate herself and take a new career path.
She’s got back to uni. She’s volunteering as well these days. And she’s saying I would
like to think that she’s seen what I’m doing and the fulfillment that it gives me and she’s
gone I’m curious about that. Wonder if I’m gonna get some fulfillment out of that and
she does. Absolutely she does. So it’s been a really good time as well. David 48:10
Isn’t that interesting? And thank you very much for sharing such a personal insight on
that experience because I don’t think people get to hear the partners voice or the partner
observation in that experience too. And that as a team as a, as a partnership as a family,
growing through this experience, the other side of adversity is, you know, the different
phase, it’s a different phase. It’s it’s gratitude, there is happiness, there’s joy, there’s wonder,
and these sound really hard and very difficult concepts when you’re in the thick of it. David 48:53
And, you know, when I think about the folks that are listening today, and who’s likely,
you know, Trying to acquire information and knowledge about what they can do to improve
their brain health, to reduce their risk in their life, that they’ve decided to move into
a growth mindset or a space where they are curious about what they can do for prevention.
There’s a curiosity there. And often, it is a single inquiry at first without the partner
or a loved one involved. David 49:28
And at some point, they turn to their partner. And they say, Hey, I’m doing this. I’m getting
a lot out of it. Are you interested to do this as well? I think this would be great
for us. And there is tension sometimes there at that, in that first evolving conversation
about how do we work together as a team. You know, the amount of partners that drag their
spouses or loved ones along to my presentations, when I’m doing workshops, I can see it in
the crowd. David 50:00
There’s a lot of rib nudging. Are you listening to this? Are you listening to this type moments
where I can see there’s been some serious conversations about how he or she doesn’t
want to be there. But they’re saying you need to listen and because that’s what I’m on.
And that’s the pathway I’ve chosen in our you know, right now my life, I’m doing this,
please come with me. Please be a part of this, please feel the benefits of this. And it’s
that conversion, that sort of negotiation experience where I can see a lot of wonderful
aspirations for a better life falls over with hope. Do you have any advice for people about
those moments? Bill 50:45
Yeah. Do not tell your wife that she needs to do this course because she’ll become better
because I did that. Better? what do you mean better? So, what I, what I started to do was,
Hey, I’m doing this course, actually just like it to know what it’s about, come with
me just so I don’t have to go on my own. You know, and it’s not really a course that would
go for days or weeks or months. It’s not a big commitment, it might just be a half day
thing or a day thing. Bill 51:26
And she would turn up and I’d say, now I don’t have to explain it to you. Now we can talk
about what we learned and what you got out of it and what I got out of it. So it was
more about come with me just to be with me, rather than come and learn what I’m learning
because you need to learn this. And it’s the same outcome. We both go to the course but
it’s a completely different approach and you get different feedback from your wife or your
partner. Bill 51:50
So one of the other things that happens David is identities get tested, like okay, so, I
identify as a person who goes about life in a certain way. And this concept that you’ve
just thrown at me is actually going to make me question my identity. And a small example
of that is in the nutrition field is that when we, when I’ve gone through life and thought,
I’m doing I’m being healthy, I’m doing something that’s being healthy. I would have challenged
anyone who came to me before February 2012. Bill 52:27
They said to me, you know what, maybe you shouldn’t drink alcohol and consume sugar
the way that you do because it’s not good for you, I would’ve challenged anybody I would
have said no when read the news or when I hear this, everything is okay. In moderation.
The question is, is what’s moderation? So, what I would have done was question anybody
because of what they’re doing is they are threatening my identity as if I am doing something
to myself that’s not good. Bill 52:59
And how can I possibly do that that’s not what I’m doing. I’m doing everything in moderation.
So when you understand that some of the threats that you’re experienced, not personal attacks,
they’re just because you relate to the world in a certain way. And now you’re learning
that there’s a possible other way to relate to the world. It’s actually something to get
curious about. And to wonder, you know, why am I feeling uncomfortable about somebody
saying to me, hey, maybe sugar is not for you. And then get curious and find out why
they’re saying that and what that means and that might not be from them because they might
not have the words to explain it to you. Bill 53:39
But when I started to do research on the internet about sugar and understood how it affects
blood vessels, and how it affects connective tissue and how it affects collagen, and how
it affects my eyesight and how it affects all these things, I quickly realized that
I’m going to support myself from healing, maybe I should consider not having sugar. Bill 54:01
And one of the biggest challenges later was in that I would go out to places with people.
And they would say to me, what do you mean you’re not having sugar, we’re drinking. And
they would find it really difficult to grasp my concept because I didn’t start the conversation,
I would just say to the waiter or the waitress, I’d say, Hey, you know, sugar for me in that
and no alcohol for me. So, this new opportunity to create a conversation if I didn’t have
the skills to, hold that conversation in a space, which was about enabling other people
to be curious, then I would have found myself going back into my old habits so that I don’t
make other people feel uncomfortable. Bill 54:46
Because I didn’t want to do that. I didn’t want to tell people what to do and how to
be and how to, I didn’t want to threaten their identity while I was questioning my own identity.
So one of the things that helps to do that is to surround yourself with people who are
not going to judge you when you make a change in your life, therefore, shift your identity.
And usually those are people who are already potentially eating low sugar diets, for example. Bill 55:16
So when somebody who’s a smoker decides to hang around with non smokers, it’s okay not
to smoke when it’s hanging around with his old friends, they all smoke, and they offer
him a cigarette. It doesn’t take one. You know, it’s a really difficult thing not to
take that cigarette because you’re challenging the status quo. So for me, the way that I
really learned to get comfortable with myself was to understand that my identity is not
fixed. I don’t have a fixed mindset and a fixed identity. I have an evolving one. Bill 55:50
And a mindset. And the word mindset is potentially a bit of a challenge for me because it suggests
that the mind is set but in fact, We need to turn it into our mind setting, the mind
setting is something that you should constantly tune and adjust and allow to be different
whenever it’s necessary for it to be different. Same with identity identity is not set. I’m
not a guy who does 123 or four things in my life. Bill 56:21
And if I don’t give myself labels, then I can be whoever I want to be. So I stopped
calling myself a smoker. For example, when I was smoking, I stopped calling myself, I
don’t know, a paleo person or whatever it was, I just allowed myself to be every version
of everything, so that I could get the benefits from every possibility from every change from
every learning experience. So when my wife comes to courses with me now she comes because
I need somebody to go with that’s all just something on the line. Come with me. Be together
while I learn about these things, and therefore she doesn’t feel like telling her to change. David 57:10
Yeah, The discovery theme just seems to float with curiosity in your life and to just for
folk when they’re trying to have a conversation with a partner or a loved one or children,
the invitation to come with me and leave it open. Is a powerful way of starting your journey
at some point and I love the poetry of John O’Donoghue, an Irish poet, who sadly passed
away some years ago, he had this gorgeous, descriptive way of capturing moments in life. David 57:47
And he describes that rather than being on a threshold, you know, we were doing something
in it. It’s unknown. There is a there is a Something that’s always about that transition
experience that it unfolds. There isn’t another point. It’s just becoming in a next iteration.
And opening yourself to that concept of how can I be open to all the possibilities of
eating whole food, for example? David 58:22
Well, I’m not going to label myself as this, that or the other. I’m just going to nourish
my body with the things that are needed and sense that you’ve gone through a real journey
of discovery of probably early on jumping on some train tracks, which were, you know,
the mind diet or the Mediterranean diet or this diet or that, but at a point where you
went through something beyond this to go, how, can I eat fully, how can I experience
my world fully without labeling myself in a way that constraints that and it gives such
grace to the home, the Family the experience there that we’re not stuck in this certain
parameter to do things in a certain way. David 59:07
And if we step over that line into something else, we’re all set on where we’re in the
bad negative environment, give some grace around that as well. Whilst it’s this is kind
of a nebula type observation of that experience, it, is something that is a deep sense of truth
about it to Bill that with recovery, or with growth or with development. We need an element
of forgiveness. We need some curiosity. We need to have an openness to growth that anything
is possible in at the time of this recording. David 59:46
Both you and I have witnessed human history in the last couple of days with the first
man ever to run under two hours for a marathon. And his statement at the end of he still was
filled with the joy of completion, there was this sort of no fatigue in his expression
or his demeanor. And in that interviewed post race it was anything is possible no human
is limited. David 1:00:17
Bill, I want to thank you very much for today’s gracious and open conversation about your
experience in recovery and also where you’re at now, how can folks stay in touch with you
Bill and maybe learn a little bit more if they’re experiencing or have an experience
with somebody who’s recovering from a stroke, what are some ways folks can reach out and
connect with you? Bill 1:00:40
Well, they can download the podcast, recovery after stroke. They can go to my website, which
is recoveryafterstroke.com, and I do a fair bit on Instagram, and people can get me at
recovery after stroke. So any one of those ways. They can contact me they can send me
a DM they can send me an email they can download podcast and very soon if they want to get
access to my course when it goes live 10 steps to brain health for stroke survivors, they’ll
be able to just subscribe to my email list, which is at the bottom of the page on recoveryafterstroke.com.
And I’ll update them when it’s available. David 1:01:22
Great Bill Gasiamis, thank you very much for your time today. I think champion of recovery
after stroke is a good title. But the thing that came out of today that I’m going to just
nurture a little bit more is, I think seed planter for grace, in recovery after stroke. Bill 1:01:40
Happy to accept those labels. David 1:01:44
Thank you, Bill. Lovely talking to you. Well, there we have it, folks. What a great conversation
with Bill Gasiamis. From recovery after stroke. It’s clear that one in six people will experience
a stroke in their lifetime and taking steps to reduce your risk of having this vascular
or blood supply event from happening is going to help your brain have the rich, yummy nutrients
it’s delivered via the bloodstream to flood your gorgeous brain with the things that it
needs. David 1:02:16
Cutting those risks down is going to help here to have a beautiful gorgeous brain for
life. I’m Dave Norris, host of the memory health made easy. I hope you’ve enjoyed the
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